810 points · 332 comments · 2 years ago · cwmartin
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flkiwi
jxy
welcome Stephen Wolfram to Kagi’s board of advisors
This is interesting. I guess we will soon read a longwinded post about it from the first person perspective.
digging
Kagi on the other hand feels like an ideal subscription service. It feels like what Google search wanted to become.
[1] To force me not to leave open tabs I don't really care about, my default browser is FireFox Focus, which is strictly "incognito" mode, which means I'd have to manually log in to Kagi every time I did a search.
Thoreandan
Made me think and have to do some digging for the 'Kagi' out of Berkeley founded in the 90s where you could register your shareware purchases in the days before PayPal. Which seems to have been largely scrubbed from history outside of some WayBack snapshots.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/08/01/kagi-shuts-down/
https://tidbits.com/2016/08/04/kagi-shuts-down-after-falling...
qwertox
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2016-04-04+to+2019-01-3... = 2 years 9 months 27 days
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=2019-01-31+to+2016-04-0... = 2 years 9 months 26 days
The duration should be identical but is off by one day.
One day a space mission will fail due to this bug.
Reported several times, they never cared.
pmzy
I was a bit reluctant but I don’t regret doing it.
Really happy to see Wolfram added to it!
imiric
A search engine should show web results based on my query. That's it. Some summaries and highlights are useful, but show them in the sidebar, and make them optional.
If I need a calculator, I have plenty to choose from, including the Wolphram Alpha site.
If I need an answer to a question, LLMs do a good job at that.
Please don't make the common mistake of making your search engine "useful". My average session on your site should last seconds, which is the time it takes me to see the results, and click on the most relevant one. If you achieve that, you're doing a great job.
swyx
ec109685
Sites have to make exceptions for Google, but likely wouldn’t care enough to allow other search engines in.
karaterobot
If they announce that my monthly payments are going up, and I suspect it's because they're paying for partnerships with services I don't view as core to the product value that brought me in, I would feel cheated. And if they add those integrations and don't charge more, I'd have to wonder about that too: are they trading something for the integrations, or are they charging me too much?
djha-skin
...We are even thinking of providing a consumeable API for users to add their own widgets to Kagi search results triggered on demand (and shareable with others via an open-source repository[1]).
Neat!
1: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/support-and-community/open-source...
martinky24
- Kagi will rely on Wolfram's okay-ish stack to immediately add features to their engine
- Kagi will, over time, 1-by-1 remove the reliance on the (generally slow and expensive) Wolfram API with built-in features
- Once the meat of the features have been rewritten internally by Kagi in more performant and self-controlled ways, remove the dependence on the slow and expensive Wolfram API
Not saying that's a bad thing, but it's quite likely this is how it plays out. We've seen it before.
JumpCrisscross
At that discount rate, a lifetime membership at $1,680 would be rational for Kagi ($600 individual). And at that price, I’d pay! Hell, do $3k flat (5% cost of capital; ~$1k individual) and throw in an annual in-person event and I’d call it a great deal. For Kagi, moreover, it would be permanent capital.
(I would also love for Kagi to launch a K-12 education product, possibly marketed at first to PTAs.)
[1] https://kagi.com/settings?p=billing_plan&plan=family&period=...
gyrovagueGeist
(https://kagifeedback.org/assets/files/2024-03-05/1709652268-...)
the__alchemist
Does Kagi hang indefinitely for text searches for y'all? I experience this behavior about 1/4 searches. No error; just no page load. I am about to cancel my sub and switch back to Google.
andrelaszlo
Silly example: I just tried "average distance to moon/Eiffel Tower height" in Kagi and got "= about 1.167 million" (powered by WA).
syntaxing
kerkeslager
Random aside: this blog is the first time I've seen a monospace font used for prose that doesn't look absolutely terrible; in fact, it's very readable for me. Inspecting with Firefox, I see the font is Menlo--and looking it up, it even seems like it's a web-safe font. Pretty interesting.
LeoPanthera
laserson
CDillinger
[1]: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/setting-default.h...
mannycalavera42
nojvek
matrix12
omoikane
Bing couldn't answer "MangoldtLambda[11]" either, and it also couldn't answer "differentiate x^2 with respect to x", and didn't show a graph for "norway gdp".
dakial1
thomassmith65
🞬 blog.kagi.com (blocked ghs.googlehosted.com)
zero0529
JZL003
elektor
daft_pink
dmje
wielebny
16:28 - 14:50 = 22 hours and 22 minutes
although, Google never could not too.
lannisterstark
iNic
stainablesteel
fantastic news, really glad to hear about this
warkdarrior
noneoftheabove
xvector
hoseja
ckbishop
soumendrak
fagrobot
sdo72
1970-01-01
andai
Now it says unlimited, but I'm not sure "you and a swarm of a thousand digital clones" counts as fair use...
To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content.
That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine.
How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?