309 points · mecredis · 1 day ago
fredbenenson.comivraatiems
emptybits
2. I don't even understand how a title transfer could happen without verifying ownership. Is the title system in the USA decentralized or that much different than elsewhere? i.e. Torrens-style
thekevan
It won't stop everyone but any realtor doing due diligence will likely see it. If is lasts long enough, it will show up on Google street view as well.
rwmj
Here you can register with the Land Registry and they will email you if any enquiries or attempted sales happen on your property: https://www.gov.uk/protect-land-property-from-fraud
DannyPage
https://www.sfgate.com/hawaii/article/hawaii-home-built-on-w...
lateforwork
sharadov
Someone in India, with fraudulent documents "sold" his land.
He only came to know about it when he next visited India. Unfortunately he could not do much. There are people who will actively look through property records - if the person is not a local resident ( lives internationally ), then they are prime targets.
This was a decade ago - things have gotten a lot better with digital records and India's Universal ID system. But I did not realize, something like this was possible in the US.
dclowd9901
> I never heard from anyone.
What is the FBI doing if they're not working on cases like this or domestic terrorism/mass shootings? We continue to have both classes of crimes in droves.
estsauver
Put up a big "This property is not for sale" sign on the land.
Waterluvian
Is there a term for this deceitful language tactic? “Everybody knows that…” “It’s obvious that…” I think this one aggravates me the most because I feel targeted and lumped in with a group I’ve put effort into not being a part of.
marssaxman
I suspect that the speculators are scammers anyway: they never respond to my questions.
ajcp
Surely you meant "'Benenson' without the “b” in the email, and the hyphenated 'out-look.com' domain"?
tgsovlerkhgsel
It seems like in most cases the scammer pockets the earnest money deposit and that's it, in some cases, the buyer thinks they actually bought the property but they haven't actually (how does that work in terms of the deed?)
Seems like the worst case outcome for vacant land is "free house"?
Edit: based on the comments, the problem for the property owner is the headache and cost associated with cleaning the mess up. You don't lose the property but a fraudulent title change (?) can actually end up in the registry, which can be cleaned up but is a major PITA.
angry_octet
For registry titles you can also add caveats, that require sign-off from another party before transactions can occur. Unfortunately the contact address is still purely snail mail, no email or phone numbers. If you title has a bank mortgage that will appear as a caveat, requiring the debt to be discharged before it can be removed, and that also involves more ID verification.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrens_title
https://www.firstlinks.com.au/why-our-torrens-title-property...
mzs
kevin_thibedeau
vmilner
jdkfishekc
joshuaheard
silisili
Here's another I remember reading recently. I feel sorry for both parties and not sure how I think that should be adjudicated...
https://www.businessinsider.com/property-fraud-lawsuit-fairf...
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ChrisMarshallNY
maciekkmrk
vsviridov
wplu
woah
benatkin
Also I'm sure glad that scammer didn't manage to buy that cannon!
1970-01-01
Seems like this isn't really a problem? Who sells land without questions?
pseudohadamard
That's a dead giveaway that you're talking to an ESOL European, "hello good morning" or "hello good evening".
teeray
stackedinserter
They didn't do anything with their land and doesn't have any plans for it for the foreseeable future. It's not like a snowblower that sits in your garage unused. It's land, a piece of planet. If you own it, you should use it for something. If you don't, return it back to people.
IhateAI
juancn
Like most people, I’ve had my identity stolen once or twice in my life.
Huh? It's not as common. I don't think I've been victim of it ever, unless it's way more common in some other countries?Much less on a property deal where identity and ownership are heavily scrutinized.
clarkmoody
My realtor helped me get the photos taken down, but the Facebook ads for it are up to this day. Facebook completely ignores any and all attempts by me to report this malfeasance -- even though these ads literally have my personal home address on them!
It's a huge safety risk to me and not due to anything I did whatsoever; all I did was buy a house that was on the market and then move into it. It's a nightmare.