For some time these pages conflicted with what our users reported (they said that in contrast to what I stated to our management they found they were opted into training on prompts by default as per their own privacy page). Mistral just now corrected their docs. I'm not sure how long the conflicting situation has lasted, but at least for several days.

For contrast: Claude disables training on prompts for organizations starting from the 18 euro tier [0]. As a European I'm disappointed.

[0] https://claude.com/pricing#team-&-enterprise

The idea that they'll steal from everyone except you is just wishful thinking

Microsoft already did a rug pull on me and opted me in to training months after I signed up with Github Copilot. It exhausting and ultimately futile to monitor these companies.

It's not guaranteed that Duck.ai will continue to uphold its promise of not training on your sessions — if the company gets bought by Microsoft, it's only a matter of time before the switch to "you can opt out at any time". But since privacy is Duck.ai's brand, it will be somewhat harder for them to hide what they're doing should they betray their customers.

I also don't actually trust that Duck.ai sub-vendors OpenAI and Anthropic will uphold whatever contract they have with Duck.ai — the whole AI business model is built on lawless consumption of others work.

We'll ultimately have to run our own models locally, because it's impractical to defend against untrustworthy AI vendors.

The page title is "Can I opt out of my input or output data being used for training".

Right at the top of the page it says "In certain cases, your input and output data (such as conversations, documents, and other user-provided content) may be included in Mistral’s model training programs. You retain full control over this processing and have the right to opt out of these programs at any time."

We've changed it to the article title now per https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Service: Vibe Plan: Non-Enterprise Default: Opted in Opt-out possible? Yes

Service: Vibe Plan: Enterprise Default: Opted out Opt-out possible? Yes (admin-managed)

Service: Mistral Studio/API Plan: Not specified Default: Not stated, I assume opted in Opt-out possible? Yes

But the individual level moral perspective confuses me. You object to your own input being used for training "for free", but you're ok to use models which already slurped the data of millions of other people "for free"?

I don't get it. Obviously this is going to be a controversial take on here (I am not blind to the sentiment), so, please help me understand. If you're a conscientious objector, why are you using the models in the first place?

In the Admin panel[links to the admin panel], open the Privacy menu in the left-hand navigation bar.

Why not link to the https://admin.mistral.ai/plateforme/privacy panel directly

https://alterlab.io/blog/how-to-give-your-ai-agent-access-to...

So no more data for them. No more social media, no more cloud storage, just no more.

It's been fun, but I am smarter than AI, so bye.

Regarding the former, there's no normal Copy button so presumably this just copies the content of the article. Not sure why it needs to be clarified that its for LLMs.

I just wish I could force them to share it with their competitors also.

Vibe: users are not opted out by default

Vibe (Enterprise): customers are opted out of training by default

So they made it opt in for enterprise (how it should be), but intentionally made opt out for regular user.Basically saying "screw you: to regular users.

Any self respecting user should stop using them.

I think I will be using Kagi Ultimate for the inference UI, so the data is somewhat anonymized before being collected.

if you sign the contract (click I agree on Terms of Service), and it says that they do not train on the data, by what right can they backtrack on that?

Maybe it is assumed that they notified you and you have the right to terminate the contract? Relying on some clause where the contract can be updated at any time. Or terminated at any time (with the presumption that a clause change is a termination and an automatic signing of the new contract, but that's weak)

This is them just making it very clear and disclosing as per European rules.

Of course with Claude and so on this bothers me too, but it doesn't seem like there's any real recourse under US law. But I would hope that "oh you shouldn't enter PII" isn't going to cut it under European law, that if I say "don't store my prompts, they include PII I don't want you storing" should be sufficient here under the GDPR and Mistral shouldn't be able to just store it anyway.

Edit: Does “use for training” include “we store all your chat logs forever tied to your identity”?

users are not opted out by default

Of course because you can’t be opt out by default that would be called opt in.

Got to love the private equity parasites ruining everything for the sake of profit.

you can't make this shit up