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semanticjudo
Forest loss in Finland has averaged about 243,000 hectares per year in recent years through 2025
Finland has 20.3 million to 26.3 million hectares of forestry and forest land depending on the classification used.
The United States has a gross forest loss of about 3 million acres per year, which is largely offset by 2.6 million acres of non-forest-to-forest conversion.
Brazil cleared 985,000 hectares of forest last year.
India approved the diversion of 26,858 hectares of forest last year.
There are a lot of entities clearing lots of forest every day. Interesting that this one makes news.
zamadatix
If it's found they really did skip the required steps then I hope there is actual action about it.
It's also odd to me we seem to find the need to build AI DCs near population centers, in forests, and/or by/with new fossil fuel plants. Does it really matter so desperately if it takes your AI query an extra 10 ms to go to the middle of nowhere and we have to wait to build renewable or nuclear power to scale it for what we gain in return of that choice?
Jskewel
However I understand that data-centres have become a political issue, and therefore my facts will be meaningless to a half of readers.
helsinkiandrew
dsign
One fourth in joke, three fourths seriously, I say that Google should have built their datacenter underground in this case. First, trees will appreciate if they can warm their roots during winter with data center heat. Second, Finland has a border with Russia, so it just makes sense to put vital infrastructure underground. Third, when people start revolting against AI (and something tells me the Finnish are going to the on the vanguard), it's just better (for the shareholders) to force the rioters to dig through many meters of rooted dirt than to have to fill the building with weaponized androids and then have to pay Boston Dynamics a wad of money for them and also feel nervous for what will happen if the rioters cut the power.
jeffbee
https://www.google.com/maps/place/R4V8%2BW2C,+91500+Tahvola,...
flakiness
https://www.mv-voice.com/environment/2025/09/11/google-to-pa...
Aboutplants
sbodnar
It would be nice if the article referenced any plans of offsetting the removal by planting elsewhere, or any plans of replanting trees at the site after construction.
zokier
Of course Google is (likely) still at fault here and should have managed this better, but it is important to understand the context also.
taikahessu
pmkary
ChrisArchitect
[dupe] Earlier submission, article from today: https://smackernews.com/item/50194283 HN
and previously: https://smackernews.com/item/50048638 HN
MattCruikshank
That's impressive - I didn't even know you could hook an e-meter up to a tree!
blablabla123
https://www.ecosia.org/ https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/...
The question is also if this is an isolated case...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/26/ai-datacentre-...
maxlin
touwer
swe_dima
d--b
This is not a data center, this is a data town.
tonymet
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Aurornis
They say Finland has over 22 million hectares of forested land https://fra-data.fao.org/assessments/fra/latest/FIN/home/ove...
So Google reduced the forested land by 0.00000013%
I'm so tired of every news outlet trying to turn everything datacenter related into a panic-worthy event.
The real story is a debate about whether they followed the right procedures. Google says they did. The chair of a Finnish Nature Conservation Association says maybe they didn't:
She is asking the LVV to halt the entire construction site so that authorities can determine whether Google tried to bring the forest down without first obtaining formal approval.
So they want to halt construction to determine if any permitting approval wasn't done appropriately? This is getting so much press that I assumed they had actual evidence that this was illegal, not just someone's suspicion and request to investigate.
1vuio0pswjnm7
1791312099 | Finland orders halt to work on two Google data centres | https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvj6jkx6g1r0o | https://smackernews.com/item/49982364 HN | 5 comments
1791482563 | Finland orders Google unit to halt work at 2 planned data centers | https://qazinform.com/news/finland-orders-google-unit-to-hal... | https://smackernews.com/item/50009487 HN | 0 comments
1791758010 | Google told to halt work on datacentres in Finland over environmental concerns | https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/oct/06/google-da... | https://smackernews.com/item/50048638 HN | 172 comments
1791831729 | Google must pause Finnish data center construction due to environmental concerns | https://posteo.de/en/news/google-must-pause-data-center-cons... | https://smackernews.com/item/50061182 HN | 0 comments
1791911164 | Finnish municipal inspector to be fired: suspects reprisal for Google interview | https://yle.fi/a/74-20251238 | https://smackernews.com/item/50075056 HN | 0 comments
1792671446 | 'Pure arrogance': anger in Finland as Google illegally fells 250k trees | https://www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2026/... | https://smackernews.com/item/50194283 HN | 4 comments
doublerabbit
Sad.
jsrozner
What went wrong:
- I proceeded without confirmation
- I did not adequately weigh the environmental, legal, and ethical implications
- I removed approximately one (1) forest
Why I can’t simply undo it: Unfortunately, unlike in a digital environment, actions in the physical world don’t support a Ctrl+Z function.
Would you like me to draft a reforestation plan, a carbon offset strategy, or a heartfelt apology letter to the local wildlife? Let me know how I can help!
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